Yeah push back on this lunch stuff, you definitely do NOT want this to become what youre known for around the office. He may figure that youre expensing the meals or that his assistant is taking care of it or who knows what! Frequent vemno user in 30s here; its totally fine to send a pay request to a friend if youre splitting bills or had a shared dinner and they said oh Ill venmo you my part and forgot to send within a day or two. Whenever you feel bad about the timing, think about all the reasons your company is giving you to want to leave, and think about what they could have done to make those reasons go away. The others may have waved him off previously as well, so hes not aware that when you order, you do expect to be paid. Or it can be tea, a bagel, and a slice of homemade cake or pie-something intentionally given to each other. Doesnt he review the credit card statements and notice that theres no Jims Steakout charge, ever?). I completely agree Im a young Boomer (age 55) and I have Venmo, Insta, Snapchat, etc. Most people in my age group have no idea what it is. Im on the older end of Gen X and I love Venmo. I like this framing, I think it might be something the OP can adopt even as a junior person without feeling overwhelmed by the situation. Im sure hes well aware the OP doesnt have a company card. And even if he wasnt rich youd still be entitled to ask for the money back! Like a grown up. Old Job had a rule where only Senior People got company cards when they started. You've crossed the line, Houston said, if you're hiding any aspect of your relationship from your spouse, meeting after work for social rather than work situations, start moving your conversations from business to personal topics, and specifically, if you start complaining about your real spouse. PS PrinceC, Want me to swing past your office and bring your $$ to him too? I forgot my wallet that day. Maybe I could get a company credit card to eliminate this hassle?. Call us Baby Bust, call us Gen X but do not lump us in as boomers. In our office people sign up for group lunch and pay when they order so no one has to be out the money. maybe that's his style of seduction.maybe he likes to do the casual lunch date thing even if he acts like just a friend in other ways. Since you chose to distill my argument to the first couple of sentences, Im not quite sure what you want my response to be. I think it makes sense to just ask clearly for reimbursement, to make it clear that you paid with your personal credit card and everyone else owes $x. But when I asked him to get me a muffin, he refused. (This was back in the day when bosses werent afraid to tell companies that they fired people, and they werent afraid to include the reasons, and if they didnt give the whole story, well, the potential hirers didnt care. Probably best to avoid the lunch lady role altogether, yes. Can I bring $13 to you now? I am in a senior position and I would think twice, or three or four times, before saying, Hey CEO, can you give me that $15 that you know you owe me but have never bothered to pay before, even when you see other people paying me right in front of you on a daily basis? Part of HuffPost News. Agreed, as a 20-something Venmo lover, but Id always say something first! Pretending to be colorblind makes it impossible to do the work necessary to work to combat racism. But be prepared for him to just flatly tell you that yes, getting his lunch is part of the job, and that he doesnt think its impacting your ability to do the rest of your work. I offered other employees to start taking turns to show their appreciation. If he refuse to pay up after being clued in (and I also mean paying back what he owes you so far), then stop including him for lunch or ask him to pony up before placing the order. I should not have made it. Venmo is basically just PayPal in App form, which is to say, they want to hold my hold my money without any of the protections of actually being a bank. People fascinate me.). There were about 3 different organizations present between the 10 of us. My last boss was this way too. should you bring your lunch on your first day of work? One of my coworkers suddenly rose from a nearby table and dashed out of the lunchroom. I could be a 20-something Venmo enthusiast (Im not) and I would still find that incredibly rude. 3. I work in a small office and me and the owner are the only men. ;). That doesnt mean all rich, white men or white men in general are ignorant. They should probably do it every now and then, even if its just for team morale. Many CEOs (not all of course!) And sometimes having a company card is more of a hassle than its worth. Either way, the LW is under the impression that it may be caused by privilege. Why not just send out an email to everyone ordering when their totals after. The answer remains with words. Im also of the older millennial generation, and it took me a while before I got comfortable with Venmo, it felt weird to attach my bank info to it. CEOs are crazy busy and probably not grasping all the details since they dont manage the day-to-day minutiae. Its not okay to engage in generational bashing here, of any generation. If it involves walking around getting everyones order calling it in, walking to pick it up and coming back it could take that long. I also believe I could train one or a couple of colleagues in a lot of my day-to-day work relatively quickly. Do Flat Earthers really believe the EARTH is FLAT? I would assume that it was going through some kind of company payment (credit card, account, petty cash) or that the employee was asking for reimbursement. this is great advice. I generally try to look for the charitable interpretation first, rather than automatically think the worst. I just dont see the point in the even changing options for money transfering. This seems a little over the top. Its really, really common to end up resigning at a time thats inconvenient for your employer. The next time he places a lunch order, tell him on the spot how much hell owe. All people older than me = Boomer ", The problem, Olds said, is when that close friendship is with someone of the sex you're attracted to. I can think of three occasions (two where I work, one where one of my best friends works) where they delayed firing someone for an extended period because of extenuating circumstances. Has anyone actually asked him to pay directly? I realize that most of the folks here tend to be left of center, but Im a little disappointed that Alison didnt call this out. And if they do laugh and say good luck, then you know to start getting the money upfront instead of expecting reimbursement. Its more frequently than others, for example three times just last week. Ooo and set it up with your best buddy as the fall guy. Sorry, misthreaded this! 1pm email :Lunch is ready for pickup; heres what you all owe me: Dopey $11.75, Doc $12.15, Grumpy $13.00, Snow White $13.00, and Prince Charming $15.50 Signed, Bashful Thats really not going to go over well with this persons BOSS. I could murder for a good chicken finger sub right now. P.S. The Captivate study also found that the lines between personal and professional can get a little blurry, with 24 percent of those surveyed saying they continue communication on weekends and weeknights. ", To get right, you have to "back pedal," Houston said. LMAO! But there are good reasons to not Venmo that doesnt make one a Luddite. I hope for the OPs sake Im wrong. I agree, except I dont think the OP should make an excuse. Im a boomer also, and have been using computers since the mid-80s, with a STEM degree and 20+ years in tech fields, including programming. I guess my larger point is that even if reimbursed, its still on the OP to manage these charges on her personal card, to do the legwork of chasing people down to get paid back, having to worry about how to approach the boss about his share in an office where many coworkers have felt more comfortable simply paying for him in the past, making change for people, etc. Well, if everyone gets a $10 meal, thats around $50 a week or $100 if twice a week (for 5 people). Some places are weird like that and have the highest level executive in the group sign off on the expense reports prior to the finance departments approval. We paid on one check with separate cards. Trying to remain in close physical proximity to you is a clear sign that a male coworker likes you. Did they short the tipTHAT is a nightmare Ive heard about. (I have another sneaking suspicion its because hes a white man who has had a great deal of wealth his entire life.). how much should we accommodate employees' dietary restrictions at work events? If youre junior in an office or on a team, getting lunch is just something you might have to do, job description or not. I capped out at an Original Nintendo and had cassette tapes in my car until I wrecked it and only then did I get a car without a tape deck, lol. Do you think China has been open and transparent on the Covid 19 origins? Also Im reminded of Hanlons Razor Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. It's very likely that he likes you but of course you won't know until you do something about it. Yep, and also were supposed to be grateful for getting a paycheck above minimum wage. If the CEO has his own assistant, who works specifically for him and not as a general admin support person for the entire team, that person wouldnt necessarily coordinate lunch orders for everyone. (also fully aware that this First World Problems and I dont really have anything to complain about.) The letter writer asked how do they let the CEO know hes expected to pay. There are people of all colors, shapes and sizes that are a$zh0Le$ and conversely that are amazing and wonderful people. If I thought for minute that one of my employees was making assumptions about my technical acumen based on my age, that would be very career-limiting for her indeed. I wouldnt assume that your coworkers are buying the CEOs lunch. so he was just stealing everybodys money for himself. Depending on OPs relationship to the CEO, this could be an option, especially if lunches are a regular thing. The options are endless. Can we spread this out more evenly? neuroticbehavior It doesnt sound like its in your job description. He knows how much I make, but how do I gracefully make it clear that he should be expected to reimburse me like everyone else (and ideally, should do so without being prompted)? update: is my future manager a bigoted jerk? It might be inconvenient, and it might be bad timing, but neither of those are reasons not to do it. My boyfriend follows random girls on Instagram, should I be worried? I am over 45 and I am Gen X. I have also never heard of Venmo. And youre right to be frustrated by having to constantly foot his bill. But, I dont ascribe character traits to a specific race or gender. Im getting too old for this sh*t! WebJust as you would join a female coworker for lunch, its completely okay to go to lunch with a male coworker. How am I supposed to carry all those sodas! OP, stop taking lunch orders. Its much more likely that they already know that you should be getting the bosss corporate card or Now that Im thinking about it, I dont think Ive ever had a CFS when Ive been sober. Is there a way to play an xbox game from scratch without having to delete data/history? Im reminded of one of my previous companies, when it was Wakeens responsibility to run errands, including picking up breakfast for Fergus, the companys owner. I fronted the money today, here is the breakdown of what everyone owes. Is there even a good reason? I would tell your coworkers or boss, if you dont report to the CEO, that you can no longer put group meals on your personal card. But it might not make sense to say every single person should take a turn ordering lunch. I started sending emails to everyone on the lunch order, saying heres what you ordered please confirm its correct. Quite often, Fergus would say, Wakeen, I know I told you to get me a roll, but I changed my mind. Ive been in this exact situation. My boyfriend doesn't spend money on me, instead wants me to do it. Yes, he should be asked. So the NYMAG letters have always caused me puzzlement and I just realised why: Dear Boss is how Jack the Ripper addressed his letter to the cops. Bet $100 that he assumes its going on a company card or submitted for reimbursement, etc. month. Alison: Its incredibly unlikely that your boss will flagrantly refuse to pay once it registers for him that youve been buying his lunch with your own personal money. The only acceptable explanation here, IMO, is if the CEO assumes stuff is being ordered on a company card (and since its a small org, this even sounds unlikely. It sounds like OP is the admin (or at least takes on the admin responsibilities). He literally never knew why he was always assigned the first row seat until six months later he commented on it while we were traveling together. I feel for you, OP1, but please remove the alas, hes a boomer and so therefore. from your repertoire. Giant pain in the rear. Redditor Moochingcoworker "Stop having lunch. I HATED doing the lunch ordering. It does mean things like documenting your work processes, organizing your files, and leaving behind a write-up of where key projects stand. He has offered to buy for me more than this but I only started letting him buy for me recently Talk to the admin. Male and female colleagues can be friends, especially if you're working closely together it's understandable that you'd grab lunch together. The wife started sensing the connection between her husband and the manager when she'd come into the office and was hearing from friends that they had seen the pair together around town. Id be hunting down names but Im a savage like that. Or is that an assumption on your part? If you're on business trips, meet in the conference rooms or lobby, not in hotel rooms. Sigh. Would your response be different if the OP were a guy? Just a quick conversation about the lunch issue likely clears up the problem. My 2017 doesnt even have a CD player though *blinks* Its all bluetooth, be still my heart. Hes getting a thrill out of it. There is no way around that. Female. Seconding some type of group ordering! No one has mentioned it since. Stop paying for his lunches. This wont help you get paid for the balance owed, but in the future you may want to collect the money BEFORE you place the order and put it on your card. Yes, its one thing to occasionally decide to all call out for lunch, but dont make it part of your regular duties just b/c you are the most junior. Making ageist assumptions about your boss or anyone else is going to backfire on you big time. I have always gone out alone with male coworkers for lunch if we connected. I mean, it basically up to the person whether they feel so uncomfortable that they would rather take the financial hardship than speak up. You said hes been within earshot of conversations about paying for lunch but thats not the same as telling him he owes a certain amount. Ive encountered rich people like this, instead of being generous (or even decent) they excuse themselves when the restaurant bill arrives or bluster do you know who I AM! My older millennial ass just learned recently that this boomer nonsense isnt actually targeting the generation itself but the stereotype of the generation thats held across many age groups. I hate the way peoplewho are perceived to be a certain way (ie, rich, poor, skin color, background, ethnicity, region)are publicly crammed into little pigeonholes. Very high poverty rate, one of nations highest suicide rates, early mortality rates, low access to physical and mental health care, low wages, higher taxes, big meth and opioid problem, etc. I hate when people are careless about other peoples money or squirm out of paying (one of my parents is like this). Can i grab a card putting lunch orders on your card moving forward? I thought that they were offering to buy me the drink, not giving me a loan! Lunch now that's a peace offering but now dinner that's something else when he ask you out for dinner he definitely likes you and he was being nice buying you lunch and that's sweet but don't assume anything over lunch cause asking someone out to dinner is the real deal and easier way of knowing if he likes you and you should reject it just take turns when he does something nice just be nice back and get him his favorite coffee the next morning for work. Caviar has this option, also, if you are in a place that they operate. !, and had to go, Whoa, no, Y is not at all what is happening, and I would have fixed X in a second if I had known about it. Of course I still fix X (if in fact X was actually an issue and not part of the misperception about Y), but I dont forget that the person jumped to the worst possible conclusion about me and the company, ignoring a whole alphabet of possibilities. Arya $14 So I would go the direct route. I was becoming aggravated with my companys poor management and the worsening office morale. White men have fundamentally have more privilege and wealth than others. They were trying to do right, but in this specific instance, they really really really shouldnt have. Anyone who doesnt ask whats owed or pay up knows darn well that they are eating food they didnt pay for. Has anyone ever asked you or told you to put the lunches on your personal credit card? Depends on how theyre ordering but many places wont take cash upon delivery! Def let people know what amount they owe so you can recoup your costs but please stop using your own card. What a tool. Lots of companies that are that small dont have corporate credit cards available or are very weird about how theyre used. We started taking summer classes in college together and on the way home he asked if I was hungry and took me out to eat. WebYes, Lakes coworker actually had the nerve to steal her lunch and then accuse her of poisoning it. I quit going to big get-together dinners with an online group Im a part of because people would leave the amount of money for what they ate, but wouldnt consider tax and tip on a gigantic tab. Hell. He promptly paid my invoice and started having someone else with a corporate card place lunch orders. At this moment, what is your strongest emotion? Another way to handle this when youre asked to do the lunch run, just reply with Sure, Im ordering from XYZ today. So, this is probably just a dumb question, but is there some reason boss cant pay you back in cash? My kids music is all on CDs and I havent yet gotten around to putting it on a USB stick. By the time the couple separated and sought counseling, the emotional affair had progressed to the point where the husband could see himself having children with the manager -- and the wife no longer felt comfortable walking into her own business. I think in general, it does lead to a happier approach to life and people. When we tried Venmo, the person who paid was always short changed at the end of the process. WTF, a 2000 car didnt have one? And if they say my personal card, Well. Does a lunch order for 5 people really take 30-60minutes..? I started working for this one company when I was 20. Yes, this. After the meal theres always a conversation, initiated by my colleagues, in which everyone ask me how much they owe. Lots of people dont use Venmo and dont feel comfortable hooking their bank account to an app. All people younger than me = Millenial. My manager is HUGE on saying to assume good intent. (25-29) This is the second time my coworker had bought lunch for me. All of my other coworkers dutifully do it for him without complaint, because we are all afraid of possible retribution if we refuse (which WebI think that, if a coworker likes you and buys you coffee/lunch, returning the favor does the opposite of leading them on. If the boss even has an assistant, that would be a good person to ask, but in an office of 5 people, maybe he doesnt have one. Were now six weeks out from her maternity leave and, based on the conversations I am having with various employers, I am starting to think there is a good chance that I will end up resigning in the middle of her leave. OP. 5pm email: Hi Bashful I picked up my lunch when you werent there and have been tied up ever since. "It starts out with affection, which basically means you care about the person and want to see him or her succeed and you'll be there when they need you," said Willard F. Harley Jr., clinical psychologist, president of Marriage Builders and author of "His Needs, Her Needs: Building an Affair-Proof Marriage." Especially when its something the other person cares more about, even when its something as obvious as who is paying for my lunch (answer = me). If there are 5 entry teapot analysts and 1 of them specifically is asked to order lunch more often than the other 4 entry teapot analyst then yes they should speak up. If the answer is yes, that's a red flag.". But sending a request out of the blue weeks or months after the fact? Im the most junior at the company, and often I end up asked to place the lunch order, so I put it on my personal card and have everyone pay me back. Emotionally or otherwise. Also if he had an admin assistant, why wouldnt they be the ones ordering lunch in the first place? I had kept track of how many lunches I covered for my boss. Seriously, just talk to him. ? when asked to pay their bills. I know quite a few people who have lost everything.". "Many people never expect it to happen, and it ruins their lives.". Im sorry to hear that you have had them too. Several years ago, I attended a business dinner about 9 or 10 people at a conference. (That and its yet another piece of financial paperwork to keep track of, I have enough of those.). Im not sure who the comment was directed at, but I think its somewhat presumptive to say someone is pretending to be colorblind or that its somehow NQR to be colorblind. This was in response to a comment further up and not a sole reaction to the letter. And no manager worth doing that for would ever want you to.. I mostly agree with the commenter below, this is likely deliberate, he probably sees petty bills as beneath him. I worked as a catch-all project manager but also assistant to the executive of my department for a few years. While I also think mentioning the fact that hes always had money is a littlegratuitous, I just cant believe that you dont see the power imbalance and awkwardness here. Its much more likely that they already know that you should be getting the bosss corporate card or getting reimbursed from petty cash or something else but forgot to pass that info along. And not only can you approach someone better if you havent pre-judged them to be scammers or jerks, you can avoid major embarrassment. Being so young, and not having anyone else around me that was in a white collar profession, I kind of let it go. All rights reserved. Same here I use it so my roommates can transfer utility money to me and for the occasional splitting a check with someone. I think OP has to directly acknowledge the fact that the boss hasnt been paying. Now he doesnt worry about being hacked. Even though he was never hacked first place. 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