One other thing: Samuel said that God is not going to go back on His word. Luke 21:36 "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.". The stories of such people like Abel, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, and on through the chapter give us hope that like them we can overcome and be assured of entering the Kingdom of God. So, others besides Saul were guilty. Saul and the heir to the throne, his son, Jonathan, were killed in a battle with the Philistines, and by popular acclamation, David became the King of Israel. God affirms that the famine is punishment for Sauls massacre of the Gibeonites, who had been protected by a treaty since the Israelites first invaded the Promised Land ( Joshua 9:127 ). 'Whoever kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses [another layer that comes in]; but one witness is not sufficient testimony against a person for the death penalty. Therefore, there was a different system of justice than what the Gentiles were used to. Why wasn't I told about this?" This is interesting. God punished Adam and Eve for their sin. And they took old sacks on their donkeys, old wineskins torn and mended, old and patched sandals on their feet, and old garments on themselves; and all the bread of their provision was dry and moldy. II Samuel 21:1-2 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. Then, they went after Jericho, and it fell. But, are these people telling the truth? WebOne of the mothers of the men hanged by the Gibeonites protected the bodies of Saul's sons from birds and wild beasts day and night. Guilt for sin is not hereditary. WebVetus Testamentum 24:1 (January 1974):1-7.] And as the one righteous person in the whole nation, he could have cried out, God would have heard, and God would have saved. What did David do to end the famine caused by Saul breaking a treaty with the Gibeonites? Share The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. Evidently, that is what he did. Back in I Samuel 15, Saul was told by God through Samuel to go up against the Amalekites, and to destroy everything in sight, do not spare anything; exterminate them. We have all followed in the same way of life as our first parents Adam and Eve. David was annonted by Sammuel Apr 10, 1035. He realized how often, and how far, he strayed from God's way of life. ", If you are on your spiritual game, and famine is occurring in your land, do you wait three years until thousands may have died? All they wanted, they said, was a peace treaty with Israel; then they would return to their distant home. You see, famine on the scale like thisthree yearsis a sign from God that things were not copacetic in the land. Evidently, this is what Saul and most of his family was like, except Jonathan. That is how we overcome the dearth of the truth and the dearth of righteousness in our day. The prophet Zechariah asks a question that is forever pertinent to all spiritual considerations and decisions: "For who hath despised the day of small things?" (Matthew 14:1921). In fact, it can be read as if David approached it as only a minor administrative matter. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. They had remembered it for 40 or 50 years. He allowed his actions to be dictated by the Gentile principle of retributionvengeancerather than God's law on such matters. Community answers are sorted based on votes. Joshua kept his word to the Gibeonites even when it was inconvenient. 1 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. That the famine continued indicates God displeasure with David's decision and inner motives. ", God answered immediately, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house. By deluding himself that he could solve any problem; by presuming that the end justifies the means; by deliberately countermanding clear and specific orders from the Most High God; Saul not only failed to remove an evil people from the land, he also guaranteed the ultimate destruction of his own family. They are going to cause problems. WebSaul, Israel's first king thought he knew better than God. The Lord told them they had made a commitment to these people and they had to stand by it. There was a great deal of turmoil in Israel leading up to this time. It is easy to read this story blithely, and to think that David righted some longstanding wrongs that had happened, and then God happily sent rain to the parched land of Israel. He attempted the genocide of Only when the Gibeonites were under siege from a common enemy and were calling in the marker on their mutual aid treaty did the Israelites turn to God for counsel and advice. Hebrews 11 exhibits a whole chapter of men and women just like us who, despite their humanity and frequent foibles, fought the good fight of faith and were victorious in the end through the grace of God. They looked to Him and were radiant, and their faces were not ashamed. God took the initiative in this matter, by afflicting the nation of Israel with a famine because the house of Saul had put the Gibeonites to death. David asked. They do what their flesh tells them to dowhat Satan inspires them to want to doand they do it. And they went to Joshua, to the camp at Gilgal, and said to him and to the men of Israel, "We have come from a far country; now therefore, make a covenant with us. He did not do a thing that a king or judge should do. You do not know. Go back with me to Deuteronomy 7 and see the instruction that God gave to Israel about how to deal with these kinds of people. We do not know when it happened. He will not relent. Then the men of David swore to him, saying, "You shall go out no more with us to battle, lest you quench the lamp of Israel.". Although he had peace at this time, I think he was worried because they just had two successive rebellions, and were almost to the point of victory over King David until they were eliminated. During Davids reign, the people of Gibeon demanded that all of Sauls children be put to death so as to atone for a severe famine. When the Gibeonites heard that the other nations were going to attack them, they sent a message to Joshua and the people, Help! How did the spirit of God move upon the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2? I think he was distracted because the turmoil had taken such a toll on Israel, and the famine too, that he was worried about the economy, rebuilding cities and fortifications, and his alliances with Hiram and others. They are two separate things. God said explicitly to destroy everything! Completely ignoring God's explicit command to spare the Gibeonites, Saul decreed it was time to remove them completely by exterminating them. So they answered Joshua and said, "Because your servants were clearly told that the LORD your God commanded His servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you.". 0 responses Berean Literal Bible Acts 13:21. And we are supposed to be ready. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." He was endangering the whole army by being out there, an old man trying to fight like a young man. Time to retire!" Has the book of Amos been fulfilled or is it a reference to end times? Except for verse 21, there is very little mention of God in the whole episode. 2 Samuel 21:2 At this, David summoned the Gibeonites and spoke to them. Two years is a long time. This was obviously later in his life and reign. Perhaps those first two, Armoni, and Mephibosheth were old enough to have participated in the event. Instead, the Gibeonites demanded the execution of seven of Saul's sons. For a relatively small group the Gibeonites drove a hard bargain and soon it was a done deal. They have a discussion in the next few verses, and many Israelites want to go ahead and kill these Gibeonites for what they did. There were no cell phones. Who are the twenty four elders that John foresaw? Report, August 29 2022 He is beyond us; it does not make any sense. God did not necessarily overlook all their sins, but He certainly forgave them. However, there was a difference between Israel's version and the Gentiles' principle of vengeance or retribution. II Samuel 21:8-9 So the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore to Saul; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite; and he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them on the hill before the LORD. & "Take heed that you be not deceived." If you read 2Samuel 21 carefully, it seems possible that Saul and his house may have been trying to get the Gibeonites territory. This poor man cried out, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. Something is wrong. The Israelite version was a whole lot less absolute. They knew all the things God had stipulated about what they were to do when Israel was going to come into the land. That is not what it says here. The breach of contract was serious enough that God sent the famine in response. He wanted to go do something else. On the mammoth scene of world history this minor alliance would rank as a minute encounter. Only after three days did they discover that their "far-distant" allies were really next-door neighbors! This meant the latter harvest has passed, and maybe another month or so went by. Also David seems to have only spared Mephibosheth only because he made an oath, and not for the fact that he was only five years old and did not participate in killing the Gibeonites? King Saul exhibited that hubris, that overweening pride in his own decisions and that unfounded confidence in his own good judgment that he brought certain and lasting disaster upon his own dynasty. Saul killed a lot of people. CONFLICT OF THE AGES ARTICLES We had before that the episode with Amnon and Tamar. He got a little weird, throwing spears at David (and Jonathan too, once). It says a bit later that somebody told him what that woman was doing out there protecting the bodies of the slain men of Saul's house for the past six months and it was as though he said, "Oh really? So, he kept his own covenant, but he did not go any further to figure out from God's law to know what should be done in this situation. ", Or even after two years. Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. Israel was totally swindled and bamboozled. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. For the Gibeonites, their wily guile and deception gained them survival and nothing more. And then King David inquired of the Lord. They are still there. One of the things He specifically mentions is famine, which happens to be the third sealphysical famine, but we remember from Amos that there is a spiritual famine as well. Jonathan. The famine was a punishment for Sauls violation of the covenant, made with the Gibeonites back during the days of Joshua. He had to plead to God for clearing and forgiveness, for cleaning up, because he knew it was not in himself to do that. These curses are things like diseases that might affect genetics, and they came as the result of sin. And David sought the face of the Lord. It was certainly alive and well in Israel. I don't know a great deal about this particular segment of those biblical people called the Hittites. Nob. Rizpah, Lord Alfred Tennyson in 1878. 3. The young lions lack and suffer hunger; but those who seek the LORD shall not lack any good thing. God was not in all his thoughts during this time. There is no want to those who fear Him. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. Saul tried to get back his throne from God by doing what he thought was right, what he thought was zealous for God, by getting rid of the foreignersincluding the Gibeonitesthat were among them. I will do it." Notice God declares that the bloodguilt was not just on Saul, but also his house. He did not do anything to directly intervene. The Gibeonites achieved their short term goal - survival; but they paid a terribly long term price for it - virtual slavery! They had advance warning. Please ensure your answer MEETS all our guidelines. It is his sin. The angel of the LORD encamps all around those who fear Him, and delivers them. God!before the Lordin Gibeah of Saul. . Israel had to live with those consequences for years to come. Other people do not carry the guilt for that person's sin. * 1 Samuel 18:12 KJV And Saul was afraid of David, because the LORD was with him, and was departed from Saul. * 1 Samuel 18:15 KJV Wherefore when S 1. Now that we have established that there was a horrible massacre at some point in the past, remember there was sin, and there was a crime committed. You had to go up quite a bit. It says that they were Saul's sons. However, this chapter drops a few hints about it. It was as if David earlier said, "Let's just get this out of the way. WebThe Philistines decided not to attack D. God gave Saul three options to choose from as he went out against the Philistines. Would it be a good alliance to have with these people from far away?". You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. In reading the Psalms, on the other hand, we get an idea of just how grateful he was for God's forgiveness and grace, because I believe he was aware of just what a rotten individual he really was. I know that is how I always read itas straight historyand I did not think about it very much. The scriptures are not very definitive as to why. When we read the history of skirmishes and battles between the Gibeonites and Israelites we get a It is for Saul. And those two are questionable. THE BATTLES OF THE LORD Saul agreed, and off he went. There were big problems, and one of them was the consequences and effects of Saul and his bloodthirsty house. God is not bloodthirsty, but He had told them what to do. I do not know. What have you been thinking about?". Jesus Christ should be everyone's ultimate hero. The people of the land stand for our spiritual enemiesour human nature, this world, and Satan the Devil. David asked the Gibeonites what punishment would satisfy them and atone for (cover) Sauls sin of murder. WebA three years' famine in the days of David was attributed to God's anger at the unexpiated crime of Saul in slaying the Gibeonites. Her actions made David realize that he had violated another of God's commands by leaving the bodies of Saul, Jonathan, and the seven other sons unburied. The Jewish Encyclopedia asserts that one group of rabbis felt that Saul's punishment at God's hands is a sign of his weak moral character whose only virtue was being tall and handsome. If we would go through Luke 21:7-12, we would see that Jesus gave His disciples indications of what would happen if the time of the end began. He just let matters continue naturally and let it rub in for another six or seven months. If He said that you are out of here, you are out of here. Jerusalem is almost directly west a few miles, but it is quite high from the Jordan to the Jerusalem. Verse 1 did say that it was "Saul and his bloodthirsty house" who had massacred the Gibeonites. The Gibeonites joined in the fight against the Philistines B. Numbers 35:34 "Therefore do not defile the land which you inhabit, in the midst of which I dwell; for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel.'". They wanted the God of Israel to take it in the eye. We do not know how long before II Samuel 21 this incident happened. Now Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until the late rains poured on them from heaven. This incident of the famine took place rather late in David's life. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. It takes into consideration things like accidental death, and premeditation. The Israelites had been dealing with the Gibeonites, who were Hivitesand as it says here, they were a part of the Amorite peoplesince the first days in the land under Joshua. WebSaul kills the gentile Gibeonites (2 Sam 21) & banishes mediums in preparation for Tabernacle being moved from Nob to Gibeon. Then David went and took the bones of Saul, and the bones of Jonathan his son, from the men of Jabesh Gilead who had stolen them from the street of Beth Shan, where the Philistines had hung them up, after the Philistines had struck down Saul in Gilboa. ESV - You can read about them for yourself in the Book of Joshua, chapters nine and ten. But, you would think that after two years you would get the idea that this was not breaking. They engaged in battle, and Israel won, but the people and king Saul said, "Look at all this nice livestock! LAMECH: FALL OUT FROM POLYGAMY; God isn't very pleased that these bodies have been exposed for six months against His law.". DESTRUCTION AND CORRUPTION Then they were able to pick up the pieces of their lives and move forward by the strength that God gave them to overcome and to grow, and to put on the mindthe characterof Christ. But Abishai the son of Zeruiah came to his aid, and struck the Philistine and killed him. Ezekiel 18:19-20 Yet you say, 'Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?' 21:1-11 ). THE STORY OF THE GIBEONITES - Then there is another thing. He received good marks in Scripture. What do we do in a time of spiritual famine? Such a shame to destroy it all! WebThe biblical writer confirms this charge by stating that Saul tried to annihilate [ nkah, to inflict a dead blow] them (2 Sam. WebMany centuries later (the period from the exodus of Israel to the reign of Saul is generally considered to be about 400 years), Saul came to the throne in Israel. Over the years I've urged our Fellowship to check out, investigate and take to heart such biblical alarms. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.". Davids choice of victims reflects at least the covenant between him and Jonathan, if not also the one between him Because he may have been still depressed by Absalom's death. Is that what happened?" Should we make a covenant with them? "Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? This could indicate that the sons of Saul were actively implicated in this attempted genocide, although we cannot tell for sure as the details of this awful event are not recorded. God is warning here that sin has consequences. A lot can happen in two years. Saul, after having disqualified My reading between the lines concludes that King David was at a spiritual low point at this time. How do other hominoids (e.g homo erectus, homo neanderthalensis, etc.) And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. If you look at a map in the back of your Bible which has something to do with the conquest of Israel, you will see that Gilgal is right over the Jordan River, just on the eastern side of the land. They did not seek God in this matter. That generation had begun to pass. Then, I am sure, he started to think about other things that were happening, and he started to make some reforms in himself. King David was probably huffing and puffing, "I can't lift this thing! A little further down, we read: II Samuel 21:2 . BATTLE AGAINST ENVY AND JEALOUSY Finally, after six or seven months, the rains came in their natural cycle. It is not there in the Scriptures. And it very seriously affected his judgment in this matter. To all appearances, it seems that they got away with it. Joshua 9:14-16 Then the men of Israel took some of their provisions; but they did not ask counsel of the LORD. Web2 Samuel 21:1 Context. The "Man of Steel" is just too perfect, too smart, and too invincible. We have examples of where that has happened, but he did not do that this time. And Agag, he's a nice guy! Spiritual Strongholds (Part Two): Faithful Trust. (4:10). Lets read about David avenging the Gibeonites in 2 Samuel 21:1-14: 1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year. Most, if not all, of those responsible were dead. I think he was distracted by all the cares of his office of being king. Some unfinished business here needs to be taken care of. In other words, we want them to be just like us. And Samuel says, "See? About two years ago, Barry Watson, our lone member in Namibia, wrote me an email message in which this incident was at the heart of it. There is demotion. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. A good answer provides new insight and perspective. He did this "in his zeal for. 2. David did not make any counter demands. And with what shall I make atonement, that you may bless the inheritance of the LORD? The Bible implicitly hints at something which caused a feud which was settled only by the blood of Sauls descendants. Jew or gentile? The Gibeonites left their mark on Israel's history in another wretched incident involving One of them toward the end of this list is King David. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. And if He sinned, then He could not be our Savior. Vote Up All it is, was, "We want blood, and anyone from the house of Saul will do.". We don't hear much of the Gibeonites again until the reign of King Saul. The Gibeonites have the dubious distinction of having duped Joshua and the elders of Israel. We know that you said not to make a covenant with the people the land. And that day Joshua made them woodcutters and water carriers for the congregation and for the altar of the LORD, in the place which He would choose, even to this day. ", "She's been doing that for six months? Why is it just now that you are waking up to this? In fact, look down to verse 15, II Samuel 21:15-17 When the Philistines were at war again with Israel, David and his servants with him went down and fought against the Philistines; and David grew faint. What is meaning of 2 Cor. That is the bottom line. Probably what happened was that they put them on the top of the hill at Gibeah, so that God in the Tabernacle could "see" the execution being done. At most it was about ten miles awaynot very far at all. Verse 5 does not say that the guilt of a person extends to his great-great grandchildren. I know that he had other family problems because the prophecies said that he would. Another group, however, argues that as God's anointed king, In 2 Samuel 21, we read of the tragic repercussion that followed when King Saul didnt honor the covenant and murdered some Gibeonites. How far away was Gilgal from Gibeon? Now it came to pass, when Adonizedec king of 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. I do not know when God through Samuel stripped him of the kingdom. He enslaved them all, and made them wood cutters and menial laborers at the Tabernacle. This indicates that God was not pleased, whatsoever, with how this situation was resolved by David. Moreover, Samuel said, "What have you done? He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). The daughter of Aiah, the Gibeonites again until the reign of king Saul ignored this of! Webthe Philistines decided not to attack D. God gave Saul three options to choose from as he went was from... 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