As a matter of interest how many of you did your 22 and beyond not many I suspect therefore you look back with nostalgia, fcuking hated the place and made certain I never treated any of my guys the same as the youngsters were treated there. Justin I saw the mast fully manned three times and it was a wonderful sight to see as it was so well choreographed and I was always amazed how the button boy could even get onto the button, when there was a breeze the mast moved a few good feet at the top of it and as I said all he had to hold onto was a knee high lighting conductor. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. Some boys failed the initial inspection which only lengthen their time in the freezing conditions. "The rest of the buildings, including Nelsons Hall and the swimming pool will be converted into flats, shops and a sports centre. LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. During Ganges's time in Cornwall allegations of harsh and brutal treatment were reported to the Admiralty.One wardroom steward shot himself over the matter, and the reports aroused indignation in the local community. In 1907, its famous training mast was erected on the parade ground. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Photos showing the rusting mast at the former site of HMS Ganges at Shotley peninsula have been released on social media, prompting concerns that the 142ft high structure is not being properly. Martin Foster was treasurer for veterans who served at HMS Ganges training base in Sufffolk. HP10 9TY. Was anything in this navy free from fear? Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. HMS Ganges is situated on the Shotley Peninsula in Suffolk. Read about our approach to external linking. 1906. Who would have believed us, this was 1955 words like pedophile and sexual abuse were unheard of. Today lots of those instructors (JIs and Badgeboys included) would be in front of the beak for various abuses, harassment and bullying. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. [1] NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE, HE'S NOT HERE TODAYTHE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAYFIFTEEN YEARS OF LEARNING, HE'LL NOT GO DOWN THE MINESO WE TOOK HIM NEAR TO IPSWICH TOWNFAR FROM THE SEAMS OF THE TYNEIN A PLACE THEY STILL CALL 'GANGES' WITH TWO THOUSAND OTHER BOYSHE LEARNED TO SPLICE AND SAIL A BOATTALL ORDERS WERE HIS TOYSTHE 'BULLY BOYS' CAME NIGHTLY, DID THINGS A BOY COUNDN'T TELLBUT THEY MADE HIM WRITE IN HIS LETTERS HOME MAMMA YOU'R BOY'S DOIN WELLTHEN NEWS CAME OF SOME FIGHTING IN A FAR OFF DISTANT LANDWE NEED THOSE BOYS THUS SPAKE FOUR RINGSIN OUR BIG SHIPS THEY CAN RIDEIT'S WRITTEN ON HIS PAPERS, TWAS NOT THE DEED OF A MAN BUT A WAVE THAT TOOK MY GEORDIE BOYFIVE MILES OFF PLYMOUTH SOUNDSO NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE HE'S NOT HERE TODAY THE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAY. Should one of letters be a millimetre out, you found the lot on the deck when you returned to the mess. HMS Ganges is a little bit different though, because they have to get the spine road in first and do some prep work. We are the largest and fastest growing community of UK forces veterans on the web with over 500,000 members! Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. HMS GANGES AT HIGHNAM COURT, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, 1940 - 1942. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) Royal Navy 238217 Boy 1st Class HMS Ganges II. ', and he replied that it was the first time he had a warm bed, three hot meals a day, and a roof over his head that didn't leak. Write to Dave Kindred, Kindred Spirits, Evening Star, 30 Lower Brook Street, Ipswich IP4 1AN. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Used to have chats with old Tick-Tock and RPO Salmon gave me my 1 postal order when the max was really ten bob. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. H.M.S. HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . We had just finished PT before going to supper, so I was in shorts. Richard Dunn. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. Unfortunately HMS Ganges is no longer there apart from a few buildings and what is left of the mast. I would imagine it will be a number of years before we see the final product but Ive seen first hand how quickly they can actually make progress once the builders get going. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Helpful. Statistics for the 1930s indicate some 200 official canings per year in HMS Ganges alone, an average of four per week. Tony Hayden. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. They say you never forget the place and I agree. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. (LogOut/ Observer career path/ real life experience. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. Every new recruit was required to climb it, not to the very top but to the half moon, about thirty-feet from the top. The mast was erected in 1907 for boy entrant training purposes using the lower foremast (steel) from HMS Cordelia (1881) with other sections from the mizzen mast of HMS Agincourt (1865). It used to be a training camp for the Navy until 1976, and in later years it was a police training school. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It would seem those boy-sailors who were seconds ago shoving sausages into smiling faces, had all disappeared into that terrifying building, and by the cries belching from its belly were being eaten alive. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. JavaScript is disabled. The greatest fear was of messing up, this meant the whole class was punished. Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . 1976. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. He was fondling my right cheek as I tried to concentrate on pipping. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s, HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley, The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training, The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym, The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name. He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. Read about our approach to external linking. http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hms-ganges-swimming-pool-shotley-may-2015.t96792, Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. 1927. He went on to be an SD subby. Even by naval training standards life there was controlled by a very strict regime. Yes, I got it wrong! She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. His early life was hard by any standards. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. Abuse Details. HMS Ganges closed on June 6. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. The kindly chef asked me whether I intended to eat the mountain of food I'd heaped on my plate or climb it! Mr Jones said: "There is a lot of truth to the statement that you entered as a boy, but left as a man. I did climb that mast. JavaScript is disabled. Review of a book of anecdotes about legendary UK boys' naval establishment HMS Ganges, which at any one time housed as many as 2,000 trainee sailors in their middle teens. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). Ronald Carr. 4 reviews When Peter Broadbent entered HMS Ganges, the toughest training establishment for young recruits to the Royal Navy, he was a naive 15-year-old Yorkshire schoolboy, entranced with the idea of seeing the world, proud of his drainpipe trousers and DA hairstyle, and eager to meet girls. 1905 - 1976 October, new Shore Establishment created and commissioned as Royal Navy Training Establishment, Shotley. later times). . Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". A Gannett Company. Joined Ganges Feb '61..went through the same as everyone else. It was hard, often . STANDING on a wooden disc about a foot in diameter, and saluting, does not sound too much of a challenge, unless it is 143feet above the ground and you only have a lightning conductor to grip between your knees. I took a bowl and ate the lot. July 27, Awarded the Freedom of Ipswich. Jon Sparks. July 5 The old HMS Ganges sails out of Harwich Harbour. The showers usually took place at the crack of dawn, summer or winter we ran from the barrack towel around our waist to the showers. There was one hell to come, the Ganges mast! This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. The rest of the class were not pleased to suffer because of one boys stupidity and sometimes made a cruel point of letting the culprit know. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. Our kit was stowed in small silver lockers that we polished daily, but not like any normal person would stow their clothes. Initially, training continued to be carried out on the vessel, but after the completion of a shore-based facility at Shotley, the ship was sent to be broken up. ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. View of the iconic mast at the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. [1] He would lay on the number of cuts prescribed, each cut raised a welt on the boys buttocks. Dave Walton RN retired. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. www.amazon.co.uk/H-m-S-Ganges-Dozen/dp/0906418003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269273975&sr=1-1, www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=134/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html, www.veterans-uk.info/vets_badge/vets_badge.htm. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. All thanks to my Instructor CMEM LUCKENS . Learn how your comment data is processed. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. Boys were permitted to march through the streets of Ipswich with bayonets fixed. The former treasurer of a naval veterans' organisation has been jailed for 18 months after nearly 80,000 was withdrawn from its accounts. Down the road we proudly thundered, the first time any of us had seen the outside words since the day of our arrival. . A planning application for the site was submitted and outline permission was granted in 2015. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. My instructors were Nobby Clarke and Ted Roe. The site was closed in 1976 and was used as a maaried quarter estate by the RAF. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. A history of the Royal Navy Training Establishment HMS Ganges. Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. The white letters would then be transformed, by our nimble fingers, into red with silk thread using the chain stitch. Helpful Report abuse Kindle Customer Sorting The Wheat From The Chaff Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2014 CLICK ABOVE TO OPEN GALLERY. Ganges training establishment. Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. 1914. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. 1937. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. Ganges Museum is located at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, in what was the Enright Block, on the foreshore of the former H.M.S. However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. Didn't like it, there are better ways of teaching than violence, but it hardened me up and made me self disciplined. It closed in 1998 or something. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Doesnt sound too bad does it. (LogOut/ inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Coronation Day of George VI. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. . In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. On his 15th Birthday he was sent, with 2000 other boys, to the notorious HMS Ganges training establishment at Shotley Point where a harsh regime held sway. The facility remained there until its closure in June 1976, She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. I wrote this song a long time ago. CHARGE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (WEA) Served from 1974 - 1997 Served in HMS Ganges. Frederick "Ben" Rodgers author of "Lily & Me", "The Royal Navy & Me" and collector of Rover automobiles, Review from Newfoundland CraigChurchill. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. At the tip of the Shotley peninsular sits a cluster of abandoned buildings that were once home to hundreds of young lads right at the start of their lives at sea. Boys normally signed up to a contract of 12 years, which would leave most of them aged in their late 20s after their tours. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. (LogOut/ Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. . At Gagnes they spent 12 months training, and they learned everything you need to do to run a ship. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. 1903. An appeal by Woolverstone Parish Council was turned down two years later. Every letter of our names had to be perfectly in line. CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT. The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. Our abuse contact API returns data containing information belonging to the abuse contact of every IP address on the Internet. Already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position silver lockers that we polished daily, but hardened... 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